How To Recognize A Cult: Hyper-Preterism

Sam Frost Responds To Kelly Nelson Birks

  In the current dispute over the recent defrockment of Samuel Frost, numerous ‘responses’ and counter-responses have been bandied on both sides, but the end is nowhere in sight.  In a new RCM post ‘hot off the press,’ Samuel Frost demonstrates the bias of “Dr. Birks,”alleging that the defrockment is part a personal vendetta to discredit him. 

  Insiders believe that Birks’s maneuvers may be part of a scheme to vindicate his recent adoption of “Reformed Orthodoxy.”  It is rumored that Birks is now working hand in glove with a Reformed Seminary professor who has taken it upon himself to refute Hyper-Preterism.  Although the professor has only 6 months of hands-on experience, he believes that by clever strategy he will succeed in defeating the movement for once and for all.  Is Birks trying to brownnose his way into the professor’s regard by attacking his arch-rival Frost?  More details later, as the plot unfolds!

Larry Siegle Announces Upcoming Debate!

  In a recent post entitled “Debate Notes,” Hyper-Preterist Larry Siegle announced that a written debate will be staged with Jeff Vaughn.  Vaughn is proponent of the consistent Hyper-Preterist view known as “Covenantal Creationism,” which understands the Genesis 1 account as being allegorical in nature.  This aligns with Hyper-Preterist views of 2 Peter 3 and other passages.  Siegle still holds the old-fashioned view that Genesis 1 is talking about a literal cosmological creation.  Sam Frost, a man many believe to be the token ‘scholar’ of the Hyper-Preterist movement, will be challenging Vaughn on this issue.

  Siegle writes:

“Coming soon to Preterism Debate will be a formal written discussion between Sam Frost of Reign Of Christ, and Jeff Vaughn of Beyond Creation Science.  This will be a unique opportunity for everyone to explore the significant differences that exist between the two sides.

The goal of the debate is to discover the truth as to what the Bible teaches about the Old and New Covenants and what this means in connection with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden and the restoration of people back into the Presence of God.

More information will be forthcoming about the propositions, the rules both sides agree to and the length of the discussion.  Although active participation from other members of Preterism Debate will not be allowed during the actual debate, it should provide information that will be discussed for weeks and months to come.”

  This latest controversy is now causing a division to appear between the opponents of Hyper-Preterism.  Adherents of the compromising faction (CF’s) are patting ‘conservatives’ like Frost on the back in an attmpt to win them over to their side.  Whereas those who stand strong on the issues, recognize Covenant Creationism as the only consistent form of Hyper-Preterism there is. 

Sam Frost Defrocked By Kelly Nelson Birks

    There is now a major dispute between former friends in the Hyper-Preterist camp.  Kelly Nelson Birks, pastor of Messiah Reformed Church in Omaha, Nebraska, recently held a ‘trial’ in which the man he formerly ‘ordained’ into the ministry, Samuel Frost, was defrocked, and his ordination rescinded.  Birks allegedly offered Frost a chance to go to the trial to appear in defense of himself, but Frost was on vacation. 

   Frost replied with a post entitled “Kelly Birks Lies,” in which he says:

“Kelly has not talked with me personally or privately on the phone since April (when we were buddies). The man is clearly on some sort of rant. It’s not that I care about what he says, since I no longer pastor a congregation (I resigned in good standing BEFORE this nonsense from Kelly, so he is a little too late, which makes this even more stupid). If I do seek to answer any call from a congregation, I would go about it again in the same way we did at Christ Covenant Church. Of course, the liar Kelly Birks would not be invited.”

  This defrockment appears to be one installment in a long-running dispute which started a few months ago, when Frost challenged Birks’s view of the resurrection.  Birks holds a view known as IBD (immortal body at death), which teaches that people are resurrected when they die.  Frost holds the “Covenantal Body View.”